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Thanks for the memories & the laughs ...

Some people just don't get it ... and it shows. That's okay; by sending email to me, they've provided an easy way to mock them. Their own words suffice. [I wonder why they are so incoherent & poorly spelled? Are all the nutcases idiots also? It seems that way.] Without further delay, then, for your amusement, a small selection of the hate mail I have received, cataloged with my own specially derived key.

the mail :: some observations :: the key


the mail

harassment

harassment

Awww, thanks, Joe, for your poorly spelled (and so informative) letter. Now that I know that sexism has "dissapeared," I'll just take down the website, and, umm, burn the books.

Interested readers may note that while Joe tried to hide his identity from us with the pseudonym bastard@hatersRus, his IP address 199.218.107.126 turns up more information. Curious how to find out info about people who harass you? Check out samspade.org.

From bastard@hatersRus Thu Feb 13 14:22:31 2003
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:30:12 -0800
From: bastard@hatersRus

Name: joe
Email: bastard@hatersRus
browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.$
remote IP: 199.218.107.126

My comments are: I wont to notify you that feminists suck because they are too consumed in their own world to actually realize that sexism has pretty much dissapeared. And also any book written by a feminist is usually one-sided slander that isn't even good enough to burn,

Thanks, Joe

harassment

All right ... new mail! Unfortunately it's nothing too exciting -- a little bit of a freak but nothing too unusual for us.

So what is this about hiring a man to kill their husbands? Does he have some reason to believe that this is a common form of murder?

From drzether@aol.com Fri Dec 20 16:42:27 2002
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:42:34 -0800
From: drzether@aol.com

Name: Brian
Email: drzether@aol.com
remote IP: 205.188.208.6

I am a: researcher
I found this page by looking for: feminism

My comment concerns: a suggestion
Please respond as soon as possible

My comments are:
I would just like you to know that if you think more men commit murders against their wives, you're mistaken. Women do it in a way that doesn't show up on statistics. They hire a man to kill their husbands for them and the man shows up on the statistic. They think their petty slick. This feminist crap is so outdated. Granted, in the 60's their was a call for a women's movement, but now that you've gotten what you want, shut the fuck up about it. All you want is to get more rights than men so that you can take over the world. I'll put it this way, "If you give a mouse a cookie, it wants a glass of milk." Men will always rule!!

harassment

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 03:19:25 -0800
From: dick@hotmail.com

Name: Dick the dick
Email: dick@hotmail.com

I am a: feminist
I found this page by looking for: feminism

My comments are: I'm a real feminist and I love you all. I truly wish, that I
could be
a women one day!!!!!!!
These sites are really HOT, they drive me on.. Grrr....
YEAH!!!!!!!!

patronizing pompous idiot
misogyny
clearly insane

This guy has some serious problems. I really hope he gets treatment soon -- therapy & heavy meds. What a freak! I guess there really are people out there who think like this. (He sent the message three times, by the way; but I've spared us all...) I include the entire thing because, well, it's just too weird to only give you part.

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:51:35 -0800
From: womynspatents@yahoo.com

Name: Randy Morgan
Email: womynspatents@yahoo.com

I am a: researcher I found this page by looking for: feminism

      November 18,2002

Hello,

This email is for you and feminists and republicans
and democrats and the Green Party regarding If Women Ruled the World.

I am quite sure you will not like the first part of this and certainly the last part of this email. I am an independant voter. I definitely appreciate low taxes and I aboslutely do not believe in feminism. One of these days I will believe in feminism - when there are as many women truck drivers and oilfield workers and jet mechanics and live/studio musicians (and girls who sing without to showing their belly and their skin, their cheap sleazy i'm all about sex image), electricians, architects, .... inventors .... and ..... etc, etc.,etc., etc., etc., ..... as there are:

MEN.

And there are no excuses for this gulf between men and women - because girls choose to enter cosmetology or nursing or office management in high school - while the boys do not cheat society by humbley choosing football (which should be banned) and outside work and warehouse work. And the boys are judged by the girls as lower and not in their league. EWven if a woman is a waitress, she is making more money than the cook. It is clearl that early on, women choose to cheat on their obligation to genuinely contribute to humanity on an equal basis as men. Women avoid ugly work places such as warehouses and highways and tall steel buidings and clean-up of construction sites and oil field work and jet mechanics and garbage pick-up and sewer plants and so many many other ugly jobs.

Women want equality only in a pretty office.

Honestly, I would really have more respect for women even if a woman becomes the world champion chess player - not the WOMENS champion chess player - but the WORLD CHAMPION CHESS PALYER - the #1 - the REAL thing.And, why IS there women's chess anyway? Chess is not physical competition - it is MENTAL - as in -

NATIONAL SECURITY AGAINST TERRORISM.

The most important thing as President and Congressman and Governor - is the National Security of our nation.

If a woman can not even sit down at a table and use her double brain power to defeat a man in a game of chess - which is a war game - how can she be qualified to be president or governor?

As much as I am against feminism, due to their squeeky mouth (which got the grease in the past but may not in the near future - feminism peaked in 2000 and is dying a slow but certain death), there are 2 things I wish feminsists would tell all republicans and any person who is against national health insurance and petroleum fueled cars:

1. Government of the people, by the people, and FOR the people. How can our goverment be FOR the people when 40,000,000 citizens are not treated EQUAL at the hospital?

(national health INSURANCE is NOT national health care that is common in Canada, Britain, Germany, etc. National Health Insurance would still require the patient to pay 20% out of pocket. The competetive race for medical cures, medical machines and devices, inventions, patents, research trials,etc., would not change if the US Government merely pays for health insurance for every citizen. the US Government believes the people are incapable of providing personal retirement for themselves so the US Government invented Social Security. It is clear that with 42,000,000 people not being treated equally at the hospital soley because of not having medical insurance, the people are incapable of providing themselves health insurance, the US Goverment should invent National Health Insurance Security).

2. Since breathing enough carbon monoxide from a car exhaust will kill a person, SURELY the amount we breath in every day causes millions of Americans to have health problems. It just makes common since.

Republicans should know that national health insurance was not thought up by Bill Clinton. This issue was debated in the 1950's by Huhbert Humphrey.

We need National Health Insurance Security and clean air to breath.

Now, back to the American Women issue.

Where were our caring and faithful and brave American women at GROUND ZERO during the dangerous clean up and saving of victims?Where ARE the female iron workers? Those male iron workers did all that work for no pay.

HEROES. REAL PEOPLE. FIRST CLASS PEOPLE.

And let's talk a little about men creating and being responsible for the wars. The fact is, war has killed less than 1% of all humans who ever existed. Will womYn ever use the other side of their double minded brain to consider that 13,000 children die every day just from infections and unclean drinking water? What about historical famine? What about historical plagues? What about cancer? What about cardiac arrest -teenagers have heart attacks,too. Child lukemia? Brain tumors? Aneurisms? Strokes? Diabetis? What about job accidents - which women are no part of. What about car accidents (did men invent air bags)? What about murder - by men and poisoning murder and hired murder and pistol murder by women and women running people over with their car? Did Hillary vote for war? Yes, and she has before. What about the new minority leader? Did she vote for war? No. But, now that she will be minority leader, she says she will back our President. What a wus with a double mind. What about hurricanes? What about floods? What about earthquakes? The list goes on. American women, if they want to 'really' be liked and 'really' be accepted, should stop pointing fingers at men for war which has killed hardly anybody compared to .... mother nature.

The truth is, men do far far far more good than evil: penicilin (how many lives have been saved by the man who invented penicillin - and the men who prescribe it?), the light bulb, the internet, cars, fans, elevators, airplanes, ships to discover the new world, space craft to land on the moon, air-conditioning, outer space with telescopes and probes space ships, calculus, algebra, clocks, telephone, homes, money, - and farming to feed all of us and inventions to keep us all employed.

THE REALITY AND TRUTHFUL AND FACTUAL QUESTION IS:

HOW MANY LIVES HAVE MEN...SAVED... WITH THEIR COUNTLESS INVENTIONS SUCH AS HEART/LUNG MACHINE, KIDNEY DIALYSIS MACHINE, HEATING, MEDICINE (AND THE MEN WHO DIAGNOSE AND THEN PRESCRIBE THE CORRECT MAN MADE MEDICINE),AIR-CONDITIONING, CARS (to get a person to the hospital quickly), WATER PURIFICATION, HELICOPTERS FOR EMERGENCIES, AIRPLANES FOR EMERGENCIES, EYEGLASSES, PACEMAKERS, SURGERY, AND A GOVERNMENT CONSTITUTION THAT HAS ACTUALLY SAVED MILLIONS OF LIVES, ETC. ETC ETC. .? THE LIST GOES ON AND ON AND ON AND ON. WAR IS A DROP IN A BUCKET COMPARED TO THE LIVES MEN HAVE SAVED IN THE PAST ..... AND THE LIVES MEN CONTINUE TO SAVE EVERY DAY THE SUN RISES.

A REAL, TRUTHFUL, AND FACTUAL description of women is that women are:

T.H.E.....W.O.R.L.D.S.....C.H.E.A.T.E.R.S.

They DO NOT choose or do the careers men do because women are either too proud, too lazy, too scared, too vindictive, too bitter, or too stupid.

A man goes to work every day for himself, his wife, and THEIR 2 children. He has always done this since the beginning of civilization.

Then women started working outside the home. It is now known that women go to work every day for themselves and the children. A woman does not have her man in mind as she works. Women do not really love men. The Titanic proved this without doubt. Men really do care...more. Men even put up with PMS and constant complaining and defaming and screaming - even though they have the absolute power to place a woman in prison for these blood pressure raising acts of patheticism (womens blood pressure does not rise during domestic arguing).

A woman tells a man she loves him. But then she has children and her love for him was only superficial. She soon finds that she just wants to work and be with the kids. She says to herself, "Thank you for giving me children. But,goodbye,man. All men are bastards. A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. And the kids will be okay without a father."

If a person believes in the bible, it is quite obvious that feminism began in the garden of Eden when Eve was away from her husband by choice.

And then the root of feminism expanded on a rampant scalewhen men invented the automobile.

Women's Lib = Women's Liberation = Womyns Liberation Organization = opposing army = sleeping with the enemy.

Eve had PARADISE ..... but she was not content.

Women are ALWAYS behind (and copycats)- WNBA (basketball), women's billiards, women's chess, women's golf, women's auxillary this and that, etc. When will women invent something on their own and stgop being a copycat. Answer: Never.

And the issue of Men's Clubs. Second class is obvious since MEN ..... NEVER NEVER NEVER - E.V.E.R. - WANT TO JOIN WOMEN'S CLUBS. BUT WOMEN JUST PANT FOR INCLUSION INTO MENS CLUBS AND FOOTBALL SIDELINES AND LOCKER ROOMS. PATHETICISM. PATHETICISM. PATHETICISM.

PATHETISIM.

American woman, take a good look in the mirror. The finger pointing should begin there in front of you.

On earth there are producers ..... and there are complainers. Producers are too busy producing to complain. Complainers are too busy complaining to produce.

American woman:

You should really and truly practice a respect for men and face the truth - women are NOT equal - they never were in the past - and they never will be in the future - UNLESS .... MEN ....

FIND A GENETIC CURE FOR THE SECOND TEAM.

Hollywood - is NOT REALITY. Just ask China the female wrestler - who works out every day - a world renowned athlete - she got her butt kicked by 46 year fat, overweight, out of shape,old Joey Butafuco in a boxing match. Again, she is a world renowned athlete in perfect physical shape.

And Boxing? The truth is (and truth is a woman's worst enemy and a non-topic and a reason for frightened female scorn if mentioned), if a women does win in boxing - (NEVER in KARATE or ULTIMATE FIGHTING - then it is because there are only 6 rounds of boxing. ANY -'B.O.D.Y.' - can swing padded boxing gloves for 6 rounds. And men do not feel comfortable boxing a woman. Hey, girls, nearly all 20 year old women can NOT kick a 50 year old man's ass:

THERE ARE NO BATTERED MEN'S SHELTERS.

Now, what part of this reality do you not understand?

Men hit with their fists. Women hit with words.And women's mouths get them in trouble with men. In your face is the reason there are battered womens shelters.

Men should go to jail for hitting women.

WOMEN SHOULD GO TO JAIL FOR GETTING LOUD AND GETTING IN HIS FACE.

IF GIVEN A CHOICE, MEN WOULD NOT TAKE ALL THE WORLDS DIAMONDS AND GOLD AND RICHES IF THEY HAD TO BE TURNED INTO A WOMAN. To the contrary, WOMEN TRY TO ACT, DRESS, AND BE A MAN. AND THEY WOULD GIVE ANYTHING IF THEY COULD HAVE BEEN BORN A MAN.

Perhaps women should stop complaining about those types of 'persons' that women themselves dream and crave of being.

Feminism is a lie.

Feminism is built on the sands of popularism.

The tide is washing away feminism.

Decade by decade - we see the non-contributions of women to humanity.

Little by little we see through the facade - the fakery - mask.

What is behind the mask?

A cheater. A complainer. A lier. A hater. A killer. A pervert. A creep. A judger. A lazy. A pouter. A taker.

A pathetic.

Men rule the world.

Women do not rule - nor do they deserve to.

religious BS
misogyny
harassment

Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:04:20 -0600
From: travis lessly <travislessly@britannica.com>

Hello all you stinking feminists. Do you ever read your bible it say's that a man is to rule over the woman. Even God is sexist he does'nt want women to be preachers or do any activities in worship except sit there and listen and take lords supper. I dread the day when a women is elected president were doomed for hell. I think that the lord wants only men to be the president. If feminist want to be as equal than why don't you guys make the women sign up for draft of fight for them to. I think that women in the ARMY is a dicrase to our contry why do they even join any way they wont even be able to fight in a war. I can only imagine a woman with a gun she would'nt be able to fire it or shoot someone. I says in the bible men are supperior than women and god makes it that way for a reason. I sure can tell you guys are'ne nottin but yankees

harassment

Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:59:52 GMT
From: Captain 'Fuc king' Kirk <cpt_kirk_raper@hotmail.com>
Subject: Sci Fi

you stupid bitches. is it ant wonder that Men are stronger. Don't you realize that all real sci fi GODS are male. look at star trek - the men ruled. and on plabnets were women ruled they all wanted to fuck ME. and they always lost to us.

Wake the fuck up you dumb bitch. Your kind don't belong in our world.

Cpt. J.T. Kirk

clueless

This one would have gotten a %%% for pompous idiot, too, for giving advice ("You should never ...") but the message was actually too pathetic to quite reach pompous.

Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 19:01:30 -0700
REMOTE_HOST = spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com
REMOTE_ADDR = 205.188.193.183

name = JOKER
email = JOKER@aol.com
whoami = disgruntled net surfer
i_found_this_page_by = science fiction
commenttype = a suggestion

my_comments_are = i would just like to say that you should never base yourselves on a subject like feminism or machoism or any other type of "ism". just base yourselves and your website on stories. plain and simple stories that EVERYONE will love and enjoy reading. thankyou for your time, and for possibly reading this completely without calling me an a$$h@L3.

harassment

This one is just so short and sweet ... and I had to laugh at the probably unintended juxtaposition of his comment & the form response he chose.

Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:14:03 -0700
REMOTE_HOST = 203.38.43.162
REMOTE_ADDR = 203.38.43.162
HTTP_USER_AGENT = Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Windows 95)

name = Hi there...
email = ThisIsFake@hotmail.com
whoami = sf fan
my_comments_are = Go get fucked....
respond_to_me = as soon as possible

clueless
religious BS

Sometimes I wonder, what are these people talking about? He read my articles on feminism? Where? It's so clear that they didn't read anything on the website. So do these people just surf around looking for feminist websites, and then send their little thoughts to the website address? Why? Why would they bother?

Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:11:44 -0600 (CST)
From: Nadir Ahmed <nadir@camelot.bradley.edu>
Subject: feminism

Hi,
I read your articles on feminism, but I have a very important question, and I think that it is very important to the whole theory of feminism. And that is, who can be the greatest sexist than God?( or the Tau, mother nature or what ever is that persons belief). Because it is clear that God made the two sexes very different, there is now scientific research to prove that too.( as if we didnt know already). For example, God made the man far more physically superior over the female. How can God do such a sexist thing! This has to be the greatest act of sexism that the world has ever seen. I think to be logical and consistant in our thinking, we need to put God on trial for what he has purposly done. Or how about making the women more emotional than the man? And I think that this is why feminism is a weaker ideology and that most men and women will not ascribe whole heartedly to it, because it has alot of flaws in its logic.
Can you comment on this?
Yours truly,
Nadir

harassment
dyke-baiting

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:48:14 -0800
REMOTE_HOST = library51.lib.unf.edu
REMOTE_ADDR = 139.62.208.51

name = gloria S.
email = kkb27@hotmail.com
whoami = researcher
i_found_this_page_by = feminism
commenttype = notice

my_comments_are = Does it bother you that you have to spend so much time writing about so many things that are of little or no import ance to the general public. Are you barefoot and in the kitchen while at your server?? It's not your fault, you are biologically predetermined to not be able to compete with the male/masculine gender. Your best bet is to become a lesbian, which most of you probably already are. Hey, Have a nice day, don't forget your prozac and premarin.

respond_to_me = as soon as possible

creepy

No.

Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:27:28 -0800
REMOTE_HOST = lvx-nv15-13.ix.netcom.com
REMOTE_ADDR = 207.92.171.77

name = Tony
email = tangredi@ix.netcom.com
whoami = author
whoami = author
whoami = author
i_found_this_page_by = feminist science fiction
commenttype = comment

my_comments_are = Dear Laura,
I am a straight male, age 31, who considers himself a strong feminist. Actually in addition to considering myself a feminist I consider myself a female supremacist. I admit to having sexual fantasies regarding tall, strong, Amazon type women dominating smaller, weaker men. I have had these fantasies for a long time, and incidentally, since I have been a sci-fi fan since childhood, there was always a "sci-fi" bent to my fantasies: I not only fantasized about Amazon like women, I fantasized about Amazon "worlds" or societies! To me, the most erotic element of my fantasies (some of which I wrote down) was imagining and creating a whole planet run by females, where males were considered in every way "the weaker sex". The first requirement for such a society would be that females were freed from pregnancy and childbirth (this would be accomplished through artificial, in-vitro gestation). The second requirement, equally indispensible to me, was that the women of this world be physically taller, and stronger, than the men. (Of course, in my fantasies, all or most of the women were also very attractive!) The third requirement was that the women were in most ways more intelligent or capable of running things than the men. And, the fourth requirement was that the men were fully conscious of their status as the submissive, weaker sex; were fully conscious of the reasons for their subordinate status (physical and mental inferiority); and they (secretly) LOVED this status! I have written some stories on this. Would you like to see them?

-Tony

respond_to_me = as soon as possible

creepy

Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:27:05 +1100
From: martin smith <hawkisme@seltek.com.au>

I am a man of many things I not a man or a woman but a bit of both. I look at women with respect so when I fantasie about women the woman wants to do it instead of me desiding what the women dose or dose not do. I think that women should be teated better but not to the pint were we have women giving all us men a bad rep not all of us barsted if you want to know me martin mail me at 96 little yagoona austraila n.s.w post code 2199 I would like to here from you. or just e-mail at hawkisme@seltek.com.au

harassment

I include this one because it looks like part of the series running 11/8/1997 thru 12/3/1997. Someone apparently was really working hard to provoke me. He wrote every few days for a month!

Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:02:22 -0600
Name: Phil Osopher
Email: butch@cancom.ca

I found this page by looking for: science fiction

My comments are:
???????????????????????????????????/

harassment

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 11:09:35 -0600

Name: kd lang
Email: salter@atcon.com

I am a: researcher
I found this page by looking for: science fiction

My comment concerns: graphics volunteer
OK to post on bulletin board:
Please respond

My comments are:
What is a feminist seven-course meal?
a six-pack of beer and a used tampon.

Why did the feminist cross the street?
Who cares! As long as she`s walking away from us!

What do you give a feminist who has everything?
Aids.

What`s the difference between a beautiful feminist and an ugly feminist?
You mean to say that there are beautiful feminists!

What`s the difference between feminists and dogs?
Dogs don`t bark as much.

How many feminists does it take to change an light bulb?
Four. One to change the light bulb and three to complain about sexual discrimination.

harassment

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 11:03:39 -0600

Name: kd lang
Email: salter@atcon.com

I am a: researcher
I found this page by looking for: science fiction

My comment concerns: graphics volunteer
OK to post on bulletin board:
Please respond

My comments are:
?????????????????????

harassment

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 08:39:34 -0600
Name: C. Jones
Email: salter@atcon.com

My comments are:
What do you give a feminist who has everything?
Aids!

Why are feminists like laxatives?
They irritate the shit out of you!

What`s the difference between a feminist with laryngitis and a feminist without laryngitis?
You mean you don`t know!?

What do you have when you got 100 feminists drowning in the ocean?
A start.

What's the difference between beautiful feminists and ugly feminists?
You mean to say there are beautiful feminists?!

harassment

Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 07:43:00 -0600
Name: Cathy Jones ("This hour has 22 minutes")
Email: csmith@halifax.cbc.ca

My comments are:
What`s a feminist 7-course meal?
A six-pack of beer and a used tampon.

What`s the difference between feminists and dogs?
Dogs don`t bark as much.

Why did the feminist cross the road?
Who cares! As long as she`s walking away from us!

harassment

This guy gets funnier every time. Is New Jersey the garden state? Does he have a problem with New Jersey? What's with the waxing the carrot thing?

Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:49:31 -0600

Name: He-man
Email: macho@usa.com

My comments are:
Why do femnazis from the garden state wear lipstick? Answer: to wax the carrot.
How does a femnazi take a bubble bath at night? Answer: She eats beans at night.
What do you call a guy between two femnazis? A re-lay switch.
What do you give a femnazi who has everything? Answer; AIDS!
The only thing a femnazi won`t go down on is a broken elevator.

harassment

Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:06:58 -0600

Name: he-man
Email: macho@usa.com

My comments are:
Question: How many femnazis does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Answer: Four. One to screw in the light bulb and three to complain about sexual discrimination.

harassment
religious BS

Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:45:21 -0600

Name: he-man
Email: chrislo@cfw.com

My comments are:
Why don`t you femnazis get a life and stop whining all the time. The lord came down from his cross, I think it`s time you people came down from your crosses!

harassment

Dammit! If only we could put this to the test!

Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 08:37:21 -0600
Name: Rush limbaugh
Email: julio@cpnet.com

My comments are:
Take your femnazi bullshit and shove it where you shove your tampons every month. I wouldn'read any of your literature if you put a gun to my head and threaten to pull the trigger.

clueless

This isn't hate mail, of course, but it's representative of a particular kind of letter. These people seem to be highly affronted at the idea that Le Guin is a feminist. They like Le Guin, and apparently don't like feminism. Note to these clueless souls: feminism isn't about hating men, boys; there's no need to feel so threatened. Le Guin is a self-identified feminist. See, for example, her collection of essays & reviews, Dancing at the Edge of the World: Thoughts on Words, Women, Places (1989).

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:03:05 -0500
Name: Tristan Blaug
Email: sandoz@sfsu.edu

My comments are:

Why is LeGuin considered to be a femminist writer when she has to be the most non-femminist serious writer I have ever read.

clueless
harassment

I loved this one ... he was apparently responding to my note labeled: "Note to Assholes" which was a suggestion to not bother writing the kinds of emails you see here. Why did he identify, one wonders?

Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 10:00:21 -0500

Name: Pissed off dude
Email: isport@alaska.net

My comments are:
Ok OK Iv'e taken enough of your petty insults but I shall refrain from lowering myself to such standards. I am not an arsehole however maybe you'd like to use the word MAN a definition which I'm sure you deem synonimous with the afore mentioned expletive. Maybe you wish to antagonize or provoke in a way which you feel has been done unto you but do you really feel this is the answer. No I'm not an arsewhole looking for a definition, if we tried to define everything in life we would be stuck with a bunch of meeningless labels like BITCH, SLAG, WHORE, WITCH etc. etc. See what I meen? So what women have had to put up with bullshit! Me too Ive just taken it from you, does it help solve anything? NO! Do you think I sympathise/empathise with women any more now than I did before? No. You know you're lucky, you could have just turned me into a radical woman hater but no. Why? Because I deem all people equal, not men or woman but human, yes I base my opinions on peoples merits and flaws. Consequently right now you're not to high on my list.

clueless
patronizing pompous idiot

Extreme exclusion of men? Where does he live, a convent? Oh, yeah -- Alaska. Hey, aren't there a lot more men than women in Alaska?

Hmm ... should I reconsider my "motivations and instincts"? ... No, I think I'll stick with "Yes! 'modern day feminism' really does have a place in todays [sic] society!"

Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 09:45:17 -0500

Name: Tom Walker
Email: insport@alaska.net

My comments are:
I would like to enquire as to the motives of modern day feminism; Does it realy have a place in todays society? The fact is that where as in the past it was forged through necessity (that is the fear and subsequent controll imposed by MEN)- today women DO have equal rights. OK so glass ceilings may still exist but we're all discriminated against in some way every day of our lives. Don't you think that the extreme exclusion of men is simply a misplaced, misunderstood anger that is ultimately self defeating. I do not wish to preach nor offend but merely to ask you to look at your motivations and instincts as to why you feel a feminist conduct and outlook is necessary in todays world. Thank you.

harassment
dyke-baiting

Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 13:43:51 -0500
Name: Chauvanist Pig
Email: ---------

My comments are:
I hate all feminists, because their all so damn ugly and most of them are damn dykes. Don't you know women are supposed to be naked in the kitchen?

harassment

Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 20:19:52 -0500
Name: ned
Email: nwschmidt@worldnet.att.net

I found this page by looking for: science fiction

My comments are:

the net is too full of useless trivia why do you not delete all your totally useless letters and spaces and save the world thumbing past it.

harassment

Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 22:47:28 -0500
Name: Anthony Sprout
Email: anthony.sprout@rne.com

I am a: sf fan\0disgruntled net surfer
I found this page by looking for: feminism

My comments are:
Feminism is UDDER selfishness
Feminist Sci-Fi is vaginal schmuckishness.

clearly insane

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997

Name: David Odgers
Email: northman@telusplanet.net

I found this page by looking for: feminist science fiction

My comments are:

I want to know why we as a sentent being are not working to insure that a fewthings won,t happen to us . We as a people send out a measage into space . This hasn,t happened as of yet because we are not being used as food. In knowing that this one thing is a posability . Then why do we look to the stars . If something did get our measages from earth and this thing only had one thing in mind for use . They would only have to send one smart one and for him to watch in what do and he will find that everybody has thier own problems and don,t have the time to weary about what happens to you. So he can have any one it decides to take he could do this and it would learn from that person that he took . We as a humen race are not thinking about the consecenses of these actions and if something comes that has that in mind for us they won,t come to play games with you . They would only be here for thier own reasons . There can only be one way to have this eternal life that you believe in and that is that you work in the belief in something like this happening to you . Today we as a humen race live for this dollar that keeps us alive each day . We have not the time to weary about like that , in this we are extint . That means that everything we as a people has been for not .I,m a newbie thank you sen one . To pervent this from happening the reason to look at another way of living . To work as brothers . This does not live in you because you people have never looked at what love really is This being blind to the truth about things like this and not working always to pervent these kind of things from happening . If anything came along that was to takeour lives we as a people would be gone before we new what was happening . We would no longer exsist.

religious BS
clueless

Mmm, God's roll. I'm just imagining one of those delicious little dinner rolls, white flour, lots of butter, that we used to have for holiday meals ... Would God serve anything less?

Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 08:50:56 -0600
date = Sun Dec 15 08:50:55 CST 1996
host = inetg1.arco.com

name: Victor W. McWilliams Jr.
email: victorm268@apex2000.net
whoami: disgruntled net surfer

my_comments_are: First, what type of feminist are you? How does your feminism relate to God? Since we are here due to him, and everything should relate to him. I am not here to attack you, but to discuss this idea. I read your refference page to feminism, but there are so many different types of feminism that I am not sure which catagory you fit in. I read it so I wouldn't be thrown in the "asshole" trash can. I guess what I am getting to is that I don't understand the feminism movement. God's roll for humans should be our definitive roll. If I have been an "asshole" about this, then I guess I'll just have to be an "asshole".

harassment
dyke-baiting

date = Fri Sep 27 10:25:16 CDT 1996
host = 199.45.148.240

name: why arent you in the kitchen
email: get me th remote

my_comments_are: you stupid bitch get your ass away from the computer and back into the kitrchen. quit being SUCH A LESBIAN YOU STUPID WHORE

I got a joke for you
what do you do when your dishwasher is broken?
Kick the bitch!!

why did the girl cross the road
who cares why was she out of the kitchen anyway?

how many guys does it take to change a light bulb?
1 to tell the girl to do it.

       NOW COOK ME A STEAK WOMAN

harassment

Destroy science ... must destroy science ... destroy science ... must destroy science ...

Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 06:48:18 -0500
host = seahorse.d1.taps.com

name: The Thought Police 8-3d06
email:
whoami: disgruntled net surfer
I_found_this_page_by: science fiction
commenttype: notice

my_comments_are: Don't you understand you fool. Feminism in science fiction
is a bag
of shite. The feminist view can only destroy the dreams of science. You know this to be true. Give it up, foolish imbecile.

respond_to_me: nah

patronizing pompous idiot
racist

A winning argument. Now I see the light. Hey, guys, I'm sorry for oppressing you with my website! How about I make it so you only have to see it if you choose to?

Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:17:11 -0500
date = Mon Jun 10 19:17:11 CDT 1996
host = analog-ts1-5.nmsu.edu

name: Ricardo
email: riflores@nmsu.edu
whoami: author
I_found_this_page_by: feminism

I don't think you know what feminism really is. It is a very pathetic cry made by misinformed women who are jumping on the band waggon. Example: I am a woman. Feminism= the rights of
women. Therefore,
I must be a feminist!
When feminists cry feminism and all that junk that goes along with it, they are in a sense crying, "Minority" "I want something for nothing" "Treat me special just because I am a woman" "Poor me". It is the same thing as people who just want to get welfare each month without having to work. Feminists want to receive something (respect and exhaltation) for nothing. As for the fairness thing, it is the most bullshit that can be found in one concentrated area on the planet. You want to talk about repression- men these days are repressed because they have to listen to all of this shit. Give me a break and get a life, and above all else, quit your whining!

clueless

International cluelessness (from Israel)

date = Sun Jun 2 16:39:00 CDT 1996
host = 206.161.84.82

name: Alex
email: rex@inter.net.il
whoami: sf fan

Mi Suggestion is that the wemens (femenists) want To be like a man i mean to work and be like the man now. they think that the mens life is very easy and they can live mens live. unteal now they took all the "bad" thinks from the men i mean cigarets (The % of Wimens that smoke now is Like a man and greater) ,drink,lookin TV and more . If they want to be like a man so they must to go to work like a man i mean in "Hard" works and if they can"t (and i sure they aren"t) they must to work the wemens work.

respond_to_me: as soon as possible

harassment

Thanks for sharing.

Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 02:40:31 -0500
date = Fri May 3 02:40:31 CDT 1996
host = irv-ca10-24.ix.netcom.com

name: ***
email: ****
I_found_this_page_by: science fiction
my_comments_are: YOU MAKE ME SICK!!

creepy

Turn us on? Somehow I doubt it.

And as to the right set of genes, I'm guessin' that with these lines, you'll be lookin' for a long, long time....

Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 03:29:30 -0500
From: Captain Darwin <darwin@erinet.com>
Subject: Babylon Fuck

Well, folks, I finally got up enough guts to send out my story. I'm sure I'll hear no end of shit from you ladies out there who WILL find this offensive. But, I will live with the consequences. Hell, maybe it will turn some of you on! (BTW, I'm single, 26 years old, 6'3" tall, 230#, short dark hair, brown eyes, and have an almost uncontrollable sex drive...) Anyway, here's pt. 1 of the story. Let me know if you want more.

#################################################### ########################

(Actual text of story deleted to save bandwidth)

Well, that's part 1. If you want more, let me know. I have the story completed, and I just need to copy it into Eudora so I can send it to you. Let me know!
        Captain Darwin
        Still Looking For The Right Set Of Genes

harassment


 
 
 
 

Really. A "Masculine" Surfer. Su-u-u-re you are, buddy.

Return-Path: <jilord@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:18:08 -0800
From: jilord@ix.netcom.com (Dennis Cowen )
Subject: The Women P

Why.don't.you.just.conform?. It's.people.like.you.that.make

problems in this world today. If you feminists would just keep your mouths shut, this world would be a much happier place. Why try and defend yourselfs. You know darn well that women are the cause of so many problems today. For example: If the women in the United States would quit getting pregnant, then we wouldn't have these problems of welfare. You see, it's all your fault. So just shut up!!!

A Masculine Surfer


some observations


the key

symbol quick definition description & examples [better spelled than in reality]
??? the clueless "Why are you a feminist? There's no sexism anymore." [as evidenced by the messages above]
"Do feminists hate men?"
"Ursula Le Guin isn't a feminist!" [apparently thinks feminists hate men]
"Why are you a feminist, when God blah blah blah?"
Some of these people are really sub-literate (and sub-literature, my most frequent typo) ...
%%% patronizing, pompous idiot "Feminism is dead " "Women are biologically ... " "You're intelligent, why don't you ... ?"
" " religious bullshit "blah blah blah God blah blah blah"
(We get all kinds: the true mission to convert feminists; the confused & trying to reconcile their faith with the world; and the misogyny-mixed-with-religion ...
YYY undiluted misogyny Weird screeds & rants against women and/or feminists. Paranoid fantasies sometimes.
*!@ simple harassment Simple messages of profanity & hatred; lots of messages the sender thinks are funny, pretending to be sick fantasies or misogyny or whatever. Most of these boys aren't too bright, unfortunately; they haven't (yet) made it beyond them thinking their message is funny to it actually being funny.
--> dyke-baiting "You must be a lez-bean ... "
kkk racist, too "You and all the whiney black people ..."
~w~ creepy sex fantasies &/or invitations Sometimes the fantasies aren't necessarily creepy, but it's creepy that they send them unsolicited to feminist websites! Get help, guys!
OoO the clearly insane And then there are the clearly insane.

 


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